> ## Content Index > Fetch the complete content index at: https://www.scenemag.co.uk/llms.txt > Use this file to discover other available public pages before exploring further. # INTERVIEW: Alison Child and illustrator Shanni Collins on their new collaboration - URL: https://www.scenemag.co.uk/interview-alison-child-and-illustrator-shanni-collins-on-their-new-collaboration/ - Published: 2024-07-05T16:00:14.000Z - Updated: 2024-07-05T16:02:17.000Z - Description: Local author Alison Child and artist Shanni Collins talk about the story behind the story of their new book “Gwen & Norah, Stoll & Moss: A story of music and love” - Author: Eric Page - Tags: Arts, Books, Interviews, fiction, LGBTQ, new book, Shanni Collins *Scene* arts reviewer **Eric** chats with local author **Alison Child** and artist and illustrator [**Shanni Collins** ](https://www.shannicollins.com/?ref=scenemag.co.uk)on the story behind the story of their new book ***Gwen & Norah, Stoll & Moss: A Story of Music and Love***. ![](https://www.scenemag.co.uk/content/images/wp-content/uploads/2024/06/shanni-boook-author-cover-alison600.jpg) **What drew you to the story of Norah and Gwen, two 1920s music hall sensations living discreet lives as lesbians?** A: I discovered Gwen and Norah in 2014 while researching early 20th-century performers. I found footage of two animated women enjoying each other’s company. When I met Shanni in Lesbos, we discussed a children’s book about these performers’ not-so secret love affair, which immediately intrigued me! S: With my background in theatre design, combining art, theatre, and lesbians was irresistible. It felt like a perfect project. **Why is it important to share their story with a new generation?** A: Gwen and Norah’s story has been obscured from history. Sharing it celebrates their musicianship and camaraderie, providing role models for younger audiences. I wish I’d known about them growing up when I had no lesbian role models. S: Love is love, and it’s essential to share these stories. Their love had to be hidden and bringing it to life again is important. **How did you represent Norah and Gwen’s relationship appropriately for children?** A: Shanni’s illustrations are key. The story includes four other characters: two dogs, Stoll and Moss, which helps keep it age appropriate. The dogs and musical instruments form a group dynamic that’s supportive and resilient. S: The book teaches that practice makes perfect and challenges can be overcome. It’s about the simple joy of friendship turning into love, making it relatable for children. ![](https://www.scenemag.co.uk/content/images/wp-content/uploads/2024/06/202406600.jpg) **What challenges did you face incorporating LGBTQ themes into a children’s book?** A: Surprisingly, it wasn’t challenging. We used a familiar fairy tale formula where Gwen and Norah meet, face challenges, and build a life together. It feels natural and effortless. S: It was an honour to create the characters, particularly the dogs, and make the love story engaging for children. **Why is it important for children to learn about historical LGBTQ figures like Norah and Gwen?** A: We need to honour and celebrate diverse groups and individuals who defied the status quo. It’s about making a compassionate and inclusive future. S: It’s vital to share different kinds of love throughout history. Being part of a project that shines a light on their lives feels essential. A: We aim to show the joy and creativity in supportive queer partnerships, fostering a loving, inclusive environment. We want children to see various loving relationships positively and feel reassured to be themselves. More inclusive books can only benefit the world. ![](https://www.scenemag.co.uk/content/images/wp-content/uploads/2024/06/2024600.jpg) **How did you two bring ‘Gwen & Norah’ to life together?** A: It was quite the journey! I was in Greece for most of the production. We only met once before, but we clicked immediately. I sent Shanni black and white photos of Gwen and Norah, and we’d swap dog pictures. I wrote the rhyming verses early on, which gave us a storyline. Shanni’s illustrations added such vitality and humour. Plus, Sarah, our graphic designer, was a genius. It’s been an incredible partnership! S: We had countless Zoom chats, sharing drawings and sound clips. Alison’s extensive research really helped. I drew and painted stacks of preliminary sketches to get to know the characters. I even stopped a couple in Hove Park to sketch their Bassett Hound for inspiration! I wanted to keep my abstract style consistent throughout. I’m thrilled with the outcome. **How does the 1920s setting of Norah and Gwen’s story resonate with modern LGBTQ experiences?** A: The 1920s, with its rebellious spirit and sophistication, was both thrilling and challenging. Norah, from a modest background, worked hard to seize opportunities, unlike today’s digital distractions. Their love story might echo contemporary stars like Sue Perkins or Tig Notaro. It’s a reminder of the progress we’ve made and the freedoms we continue to fight for. ![](https://www.scenemag.co.uk/content/images/wp-content/uploads/2024/06/gwen-farrar-and-norah-blaney-1920s-npg600.jpg) **Any challenges telling an LGBTQ story set in a less accepting era?** A: Surprisingly, none. We focused on the love story without delving into the era’s prejudices. **What’s next for you two?** A: We’re planning an adventure where Gwen & Norah, along with Stoll & Moss, sail to New York, star on Broadway, and party with legends like Gladys Bentley and Josephine Baker. How about it, Shanni? S: I’m excited to highlight more queer trailblazers from the 1920s and 30s. Shining a light on these amazing figures in another adventure sounds perfect! Out Now and on [Amazon](https://amzn.eu/d/cyXdiOM?ref=scenemag.co.uk) **Hardback £14.99 ; Paperback £8.99** For more info or to order the book see the [publisher’s website here](http://www.behindthelines.info/?ref=scenemag.co.uk) Alison Child has also written a fascinating 2019 biography of the pair, *Tell Me I’m Forgiven: The Story of Forgotten Stars Gwen Farrar and Norah Blaney,* you can read [**Scene’s review of it here:**](https://www.scenemag.co.uk/tag/tell-me-im-forgiven-the-story-of-forgotten-stars-gwen-farrar-norah-blaney/)